October 07, 2006
Liar Liar!
By lefty
Well, he's done it again!
Just when I thought old George was about to finally mend his dishonest ways and make an honest man of himself by buying the Yankees their elusive 27th title, he's proven that you just can't teach an old dog new tricks. All season long "The Boss," has "Guaranteed" frustrated Yankee fans that this is the year the Yankees would burry "The Curse of A-Rod," and win the World Series.
After the Yankees mid-season wheeling and dealing, I admit, I thought it was a done deal. I figured with the Mets pitching woes, the Yanks would push "The Amazin's" to seven games in a memorable subway series. I imagined Derek Jeter driving in the winning run by slamming a bases loaded double off the Mets eleventh pitcher of the game, David Wright, in the bottom of the ninth inning of a tied game at Yankee stadium.
But Noooooo...
The guarantee was worthless. A bunch of lies. An idle threat to the rest of the league made without a real team to back it up. So now what? Now that the guarantee has been voided, how do Yankee fans collect their refund? Maybe George can offer them free tickets to all home games in the 2007 season. Or maybe he can just sell the Yankees to someone who won't make a fool of themselves with such ridiculous predictions.
First of all, how can a person "lie" about a prediction, which is really what his "guarantee" was.
And secondly Lefty, If you say that you would not love to have George own the Mets, it is you who are the liar. Either to us, or to yourself.
Hoooooo!
Game, Set and Match sir.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
My Christmas wish
Dump Moose, Giambi, Sheff, Wright, A-Rod, the entire bullpen except for Proctor and Mo, push Pavano in front of a bus, back up said bus over Farnsworth (just because...), start Phillps at first, call up Hughes, play Crosby more, Trade MAtsui or Abreu for pitching, have the Captain mentor the younger, faster team ready to prove themselves, lather rinse and repeat results from 1996-2000, save $80 mil in the process.
But that's just me
Giambi, Matsui, Sheffield, Damon, Johnson, Pavano and Kyle Farnsworth save you over $100 million.
Cheers,
Connor MacManus
The Yankees lost because of thier pitching, period.
Moose pitched to his ERA, while he didn't come up big, he pitched good enough to win.
Johnson was a bust. And I just don't know what to say about A-Rod.
I hate to see Sheffield's bat go, but I think Abreu is a much better fit for this team-what a pleasant surprise.
Why get rid of Damon, or Matsui for that matter? They have both been great Yankees, on and off the field. Also, who would give up front of the rotation starters for them?
Giambi needs to be left alone, and yes, playing first base.
I think Farsworth is fine, if used within his limits- not often.
I would be most disgusted with Wright and Johnson, if not for the gutlees wonder known as Pavano.
I will be happy to drive the bus with pavano directly in front.
Jack,
I'd keep Damon soley for his bat and his outfield speed (not his arm, but I'll take 2 out of 3).
Letting the anger settle for 24 hours, I can at least understand how the bullpen might have worked better if not always used from the 4th inning onwards.
BTW, Sonshine, I wrote the thing, I get first dibs on the bus...
:)
I've been thinking about how George guaranteed a World Series. And to be honest, at first, behind the laughter, I was a little worried. After all, what ever George says, goes. So I figured anything would/could happen for the Yankees to win, seeing as how that usually is what happens. But that isn't what happened. You can point the finger at anyone, but from a Red Sox fan point of view, not only am I happy, I am relieved.
Sincerly,
Murphy MacManus
(Jack just when I couldn't be more annoyed, you pull out this movie....amazing movie)
For the second year in a row I get to watch playoff baseball with no emotional attachment. Should me nice.
Yup, Yankees suck too!
Hey Jack, I thought this was the year the Yankee s didn't suck ;-) Nah, I picked them to win in 3. I'm just as guilty.
This Tiger win is almost as sweet as '04. Of course, nothing can beat that. But I think it's safe to say that the Tigers are the biggest underdogs to beat the Yankees in October since '01. Especially considering how the Yanks probably had their best lineup in the Torre era (a #9 hitter batting over .340? That's not normal.)
And considering how much he's failed to meet expectations, I think it's safe to say that A-Rod ranks down there with Davey Collins, Ed Whitson, Danny Tartabull and Raul Mondesi as the worst Yankee acquisitions in the Steinbrenner era.
Manny,
The YANKEES didn't suck. Their paid mercenaries (Sheffield, Matsui, Johnson) unquestionably - lemmie say it again, UNQUESTIONABLY - did suck.
I think we all know what I mean. Don't? Get a new hobby, because you've got no right talking Yankee baseball.
Cheers,
Connor MacManus
Jack,
I just can't bring myself to think of Matsui as a mercenary, but I get your point.
Lets go Mets! (really)
You make a good point, I suppose I threw him in because he fit with Sheffield in that "injured the whole year, forced the rookies to step up, then turned out to suck in the playoffs" category.
How about this, Kyle Farnsworth and Bobby Abreu, better?
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
guys, how long before I can wear my Yankee shirts again?
Kenny Rogers career is over, we all know it. On that given night you can tell that Kenny made a deal with the devil to give him this one game.
And Kenny the Devil has come to collect.
...I know Steinbrenner is willing to buy anything, but why would he buy Kenny Rogers' soul.. Especially if it meant ruining the Yankees postseason shot?
But no, really, George Steinbrenner is the greatest owner in the history of the MLB... I'm serious.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
Jim Leyland is a guy that's hard not to like. I hope he does well the rest of the way.
I liked Jim Leyland since I saw his first press conference.
"I don't know anything about this team." is a great sports quote.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
Curse of A-Rod? I don't think so. More like curse of Georgie and his big f***in' mouth! All season long: "We're gonna win! We're gonna win!" Way to jinx your own team there, hoss. The owner is the one thing I really hate about the Yankees.
GO METS!!!
I'm sorry, I thought it was the METS fans chanting "we're gonna win, we're gonna win..." George only said it once.
I'm sorry, the Tigers are in the World Series, you kids have a little ways to go... And I find it ironic that a METS fan would bash the Yankees, being as how the METS are the National League's best emulation of the Bronx Bombers.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
Holy shit I missed something. Yankee fans you can't say that it is not karma for your big name, big buck players to get injured. That is just natures way of saying if you buy all the good players I'll find a way to fuck them up. So this shouldn't be that big of a surprise. But right now it's hockey season and my SJ Sharks are ruining everyone's week at 6-1-0-0. Oh and Nabokov has 2 shut outs in 3 starts. Can I get a Stanley Cup ticket now?
Where are the Met fans now, huh?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Shut your mouths.
21st round sleeper pick of the century - Justin Verlander. Don't you EVER tell me I don't know prospects! Yeah, I don't see any of your picks making the start in Game 1 of the World Series, boys.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
Jack-
It was actually the 22nd round. But it is still not as good as me trading and drafting the #1, 2, and 3 best hitters in that game.....
Sure it was, in fact it was better. It was a sleeper pick that nobody had heard of in the group, and people called me mad for making it...
And I acquired Papelbon for chump change.
Cheers
I was just saying man....making a little joke. And you picked up Papelbon exactly 3 min before I tried to. Oh and if anyone knew anything about fantasy baseball, they knew who Verlander was/is.
Whatever you say buddy. Why don't you go back to whining on the league forums, alright? You get old pretty fast.
Good Day.
Cheers
Now Jack c'mon....I try to make light of the situation, and you just try to get back at me. Why do it Jack? I mean I try to talk to you, and you freak out, I try to win a league, well we all know what you did, I try to make light of the situation and have a simpe convo, and you get all upset again. I don't know what got you started on this, but c'mon man, get over it. Stop the crying, and lets get back to baseball.
Says the man who accused people of cheating left and right, whined like a girl when Pujols got hurt, and has posted a grand total of two articles over 11 months.... Right, your opinion is valid.
The fact is, I'm saying this because this is how I feel - it has nothing to do with anything prior, or anything in the future - you're an idiot. It's a fact, if you think that's me getting upset, well, I don't particularly care...
Beyond that? I said good day, get over it.
Cheers
It wasn't until you told me your age, 15 or whatever, that your responses and lashing out all made sense.....I tried to have a simple convo to lighten your emotions, but you can't do it...So, I said it before, and I'll say it one last time.....Grow Up.
And I have also said many a time to you....
Good Day (As in this if over so please don't respond).
By the way, why would I need to complain or whine? I took the league by storm, you're just pissed you didn't do anything in that league except try to stop me, so get over it....
And buddy, I would rather post two articles over eleven months, than writting three times a day about stuff no one cares about...
Where have all the writers gone? Is posting now so arduous that no one wants to bother? Is this site ready for last rights? If Lefty no longer cares about this site, why even keep it on life support?
Sorry about the questions, they were just on my mind. It just seems to me that this once lively hang out for the highly opined, as well as the highly absurd, has become not much more than a wasteland. Pity.
Also:
Lefty, you would make more google money if people actually visited the site. Are you so busy that you can't let the place run itself as it used to. Many of your writers are capable of policing the place.
You make a good point Sonshine, and it's because of those reason I stopped writting and stopped paying attention to this site. I used to love this site, but it has died completly. Any ideas on how to get it back?
HAH! Did you really accuse me of being 15?
What a maroon...
Sonshine, you wanna help YS.com? Sign up to write. Sloan, you already signed up - be a man and post an article.
Cheers
Jack,
In all modesty, I am not the writer that you, or Karlsie for that matter are. I don't think the problem is with the writers as much as it is the posters (lack of). Don't you remember how what was posted quickly had nothing to do with the article that was written? This place needs people to be alive. It seems to me that the people left after Lefty implemented the sign in system. And if you remember, it wasn't even working in the beginning. I wasn't able to post for the longest time, I guess others just gave up. Even now, I have to sign in twice.
And Jack...
You do have a certain panache for words... maroon... ha.. not that I agree... but what a word. And you do it all the time. A 15 year old never heard of the words you come up with. Actually, no one your age has either. Bravo!
Sloan,
I guess the only thing you can do is continue to write. Maybe Lefty will make things as they were. I sure would love some hot-stove baseball, with people with different points of view. Football is great, but I am a baseball guy, and offseason moves are the type of things I really like to dissect and discus.
Hell, I'll say I'm 15, it'll just make people more impressed with me. Thanks Sloan!
Sonshine, I think you could be a very capable writer, you just need to get the free time. Unfortunately, it's a rough job. I would write here more, but my other writing commitments keep me busy (and the crowd here has died off).
Hate to say it, Lefty kind of killed his own site.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
As posted Oct. 28th, 1:20 AM:
"Good Day (As in this if over so please don't respond)."
Sonshine,
What we need is something interesting to talk about. Maybe then people will start talking. We used to have interest conversations on this site. There has yet to be an article on the Cards winning it all.
How about this, tell me what you think about Barry Bonds becoming a free agent? Would you want him on your Yankees? What team do you think he will go to, and for how much?
Somebody wants a hug... Sorry bro, this is Yankees Suck dot com, not the place to cry in your beer after your third place finish.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
Barry Bonds? The Yankees have enough distractions, thank you. Barry will resign with the Giants, at a reduced price, and where the fans love him. I don't think any other team wants the circus of Bonds breaking Hammerin' Hanks record, which is a real possibility. I forgot you were a Red Sox fan (Jack just reminded me), How would you like him playing at Fenway?
Bonds in Fenway? FUCK THAT! Sonshine I have to agree that Bonds will bring the kind of press that will hurt a team, unless he is just a novalty signing by say the Brewers, but SF is the only place where the fans won't hate him 100%. And though I still don't think he's done steroids, show me a smoking gun, he will be treated the way that he has. Jack I have to ask who are you talkin to about the third place finish? I also have to agree with you guys about Lefty shooting himself in the foot with the sign-in system for YS, even if there were people who used to come by and pot shot, or leave spam at least it sparked debate and anger and everything that should be brought up on a site dedicated to hating the Yankees.
CTS,
Other tan Bond admitting to using the "clear", I have no more proof that he used steroids than I do for Giambi or Sheffield. I have strong beliefs, but no proof.
I think Bonds will end up with an AL team, only because Barry Bonds knows that's the best thing for Barry Bonds. However, the Giants are the only people/fan that love him. The only way the Red Sox or Yankees would get involved is if one or the other starts bidding on him. Luckily Bonds said he would never go to Boston, so no need to worry Sox fans, (thoughs that are left on this site).
And Jack, I am not crying, I am laughing. This amuses me. And third place finish? Are you talking about my FIRST place finish, or your fourth place finish? Oh wait, are you talking about the Red Sox? MY third place finish?....I thought you were a fan of the Sox too? Hell, last time I questioned your loyalty to the Red Sox you freaked out and had to communicate to me through a 3rd party. But now it's MY third place finish? Makes alot of sense. You crack me up. I guess I can still get pleasure out of this site.
Anyway, Mets, Yankees, Dodgers,Giants, or another California AL team. That's where Bonds will go.
Derek Jeter winning gold gloves is an embarrassment to the award.
Really? Who should have won it? Are you going to tell me a player with bare percentage points higher fielding, and over a hundred less attempts? Who by the way does not make the same level of difficult play that Jeter does. Or am I wrong, and you have someone else in mind?
Umm, maybe it's because the man has no range? I mean he's better now than his attrocious -28 UZR gold glove season in '04, but he's still pretty bad. -12 is where he stood this year. By comparison Gonzalez was at +7 and Juan Uribe was at +11 (he should have won this award). Adam Everett put up an amazing +44 in the NL this season. That's outstanding! But yea, any one of Young, Peralta, Cabrera, Gonzalez, or Uribe would have been a much better choice than Jeter.
And please, if you want to argue defensive value, don't bring up stats like fielding percentage.
Have you ever wondered why Jeter is the only player who makes that dramatic looking play from the hole? I can tell you why, it's because other SSs around the league make that play look a lot easier as they have more range than Jeter. If you ever get a chance to watch Miguel Tejada or Adam Everett dig one out of the hole, you'll know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
I think that's unfair to say.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they don't watch every single ShortStop in the MLB. The fact is, Jeter is the total package - nobody disagrees with that. That includes defense. Was he the single best defensive shortstop this year? Maybe, maybe not. But he was consistant, which is why fielding percentage does matter. Range is important as well, but if you can dive to get the ball 9/10 times but only make the following throw to first 5/10 times, what's the use?
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
But that's not true either, because there were still better options. Michael Young had better range and fewer errors.
I understand that there is an ant-Jeter bias out there, and I would expect a Red Sox fan to be at the head of the list. I would think with that in mind, if he didn't deserve it, he wouldn't have won. Jeter is the type of player, while respected now, will really be appreciated when he's gone. I hope some will see Jeter's value to the Yankees when he wins the MVP this year. But my guess is the award will then be deemed meaningless by the haters, or said to be unfairly won. However, with the Sox finishing third, someone other than Ortiz will have to be heralded as the one thought to be deserving over Jeter.
As to the notion that Jeter makes the play in the hole look difficult, when other players make it easy: That is absurd! Jeter has been making that play since he was a rookie, no range lost.
And BTW, how can you NOT consider fielding percentage when when discussing fielding (Gold Glove)?
Haha! I love Jeter fanboys.
Look, I don't hate Jeter. Not at all.
The play in the hole looks impressive but if you watch Adam Everett make that play, he makes it look so much easier. Why? He has more range, and the numbers don't make it close. So you might want to believe it's absurd, but it isn't. The numbers don't back it up at all.
And I'm not throwing out fielding percentage either. But you know you can't make an error on a ball you can't get to. This sums up Jeter very well. He plays solid D within his range. But his range is considerably less than most other major league shortstops. That's a fact and only a fanboy would argue otherwise.
I don't agree,
The sad thing is, you're making it so that if someone disagrees with you, you call them a name. If someone disagrees with you, they just have a contrary opinion. I agree that Jeter has less range, but does that make him a worse fielder? Only in the perspective of Range, which is one of many considerations. Furthermore, Adam Everett does NOT play in the AL, so that argument is invalid.
I wish that you would make a logical point and allow someone to make a response without having to call them a name- but, it's your right to do that. Rock on, Jack Sox. At least it's good to see you back.
Cheers,
Jack Jablin
Well, it's good to be back. I've always liked this place.
I wasn't trying to be mean spirited by calling someone a name. Heck, I can be a pretty big fanboy myself, at times. And I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. That's not an issue at all. However, if someone does disagree, there argument holds no water unless they can prove it as fact. The facts (stats) state that Derek Jeter was a poor choice for the gold glove this past season. He has very limited range and most major leaguers at the position cover more ground than him. I'm not making this up either, it's a fact. If someone wants to argue he had a great offensive season, you'll get no debate from me but gold glove? Nah, he's below average, it's my opinion but the facts support it too.
How do you PROVE range? There are no stats. All you can go by is opinion. In MY opinion, Derek has good range. I feel comfortable saying this because I watch nearly every game he plays. I have watched Tejada(just an example) in only a handful of games, but when I did, he made mental mistakes. Does that make him an idiot, or is my sampling too small?
Raphael Palmeiro won the gold glove in 1999 playing only 28 games at first base. The Award is a joke. Personally I think Gonzo should have won, and I think he got screwed. He set a record with consecutive games without an error (57 games). The man was a vaccum this year. Mike Lowell gave a good bid too. It's just amazing that the best fielding team in baseball didn't get any Gold Gloves.
"How do you PROVE range? There are no stats."
C'mon! You're better than that! There are plenty of stats that measure range. Range factor, Zone rating, UZR being some of the most popular. And Jeter ranks below average on every single one of them. This is not a slant, this is just the facts. The guy has been a bad choice for the award for the past 3 seasons. But like Sloan said, after Palmeiro winning the award several years ago, it's rather pointless now.
Gold standard? I've never even heard of it. Yet even by it's standards Jeter wasn't a top choice. Care to tell me what that's about?
Oh so it's fielding percentage and flashy plays? Yeah, I guess Jeter would rank highly in both of those categories. Seems like a poor way of judging a players defensive value though. The point still stands though, he hasn't been good enough for the award in his career. It's not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last.
Sorry about "anonymous", I forgot to check "remember me".
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